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During their honeymoon in Antigua, some of the hotel staff had a hard time serving a West Indian man who'd married a white woman.
"One woman was so flustered by us, she couldn't even pour Suzy a cup of tea," JJ recalls.
"Somebody else had to come over and do it." They experienced the worst of this type of behaviour when they lived in Australia.
They list a number of racist moments: kids in a campground trying to spell out the N-word loud enough for JJ to hear; an old man explaining to Suzy how "the Black bastards next door" are bringing down the property values, who then backpedalled when she told him her husband was Black and she didn't appreciate that kind of talk.
Joel Edgerton and Ruth Negga play the interracial couple, whose marriage was illegal according to their home state of Virginia's anti-miscegenation laws.
They took their case to the Supreme Court in a landmark civil rights fight that they won in 1967.
"That's a sea change, but it's still a thing," says Nichols, admitting that even he (like me) sees mixed-race couples as a novelty. "The saddest thing was that part of me was not shocked," says Edgerton, who has been in interracial relationships in the past and remembers insidious whispers from onlookers."I can't think of anyone who is Spanish with Spanish, Black with Black or Sri Lankan with Sri Lankan," says Karol.The couple say they rarely even take notice when they see other interracial couples, but there are exceptions."When you see a Black guy and an Asian girl," Jermaine notes, "it's different.You don't see it often." There's a reason for that.
Jermaine is from Jamaica, Karol from Honduras, and both were raised by mothers who couldn't have cared less about the colour of the person their children would spend the rest of their lives with.